Comments on: Jesus Wants to save Christians: The New Exodus Theology- What this means to us today http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/ Exposing the lies of the modern church through the truth of God's Word. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:05:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Neil http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-42 Neil Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:52:04 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-42 More Bell that must be ignored to say he's a universalist: <blockquote>At the center of the Christian experience is crying out in our slavery and being heard by God. Trust that through Jesus, God has done for us what we could never do for ourselves... (pg. 172) And in exile we can slip into despair, and we can reimage everything. Confession. Repentance. A fresh start. A clean slate. We cry out in our exile and God hears us and we experience rebirth. (pg. 174)</blockquote> WOW - Trust Jesus Confess Repent Sin Cry out God hears us From anyone else this would be biblical... but somehow when it comes from Bell it's universalism - simple amazing. More Bell that must be ignored to say he’s a universalist:

At the center of the Christian experience is crying out in our slavery and being heard by God. Trust that through Jesus, God has done for us what we could never do for ourselves… (pg. 172)

And in exile we can slip into despair, and we can reimage everything. Confession. Repentance. A fresh start. A clean slate. We cry out in our exile and God hears us and we experience rebirth. (pg. 174)

WOW –

Trust Jesus
Confess
Repent
Sin
Cry out
God hears us

From anyone else this would be biblical… but somehow when it comes from Bell it’s universalism – simple amazing.

]]> By: Neil http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-41 Neil Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:45:43 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-41 <blockquote>The Spirit of God affirms as children of God all those who trust Jesus.</blockquote> Funny, when I used Bell's words at CRN.info you agreed with me... until you saw it was from Bell. I don't know how "only hope" and "trust Jesus" could be any clearer. But I guess if you mind is made up that Bell is a universalist - no atual facts will disuade you. The fact that you can selectively quote him, and ignore distinctions like this proves that you are more interested in tearing him down than you are in actual truth.

The Spirit of God affirms as children of God all those who trust Jesus.

Funny, when I used Bell’s words at CRN.info you agreed with me… until you saw it was from Bell.

I don’t know how “only hope” and “trust Jesus” could be any clearer. But I guess if you mind is made up that Bell is a universalist – no atual facts will disuade you.

The fact that you can selectively quote him, and ignore distinctions like this proves that you are more interested in tearing him down than you are in actual truth.

]]> By: Joe http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-39 Joe Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:28:37 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-39 Always good to see you using my name for tags of posts that have nothing to do with me. I'm hoping to graduate soon and get my own category. Always good to see you using my name for tags of posts that have nothing to do with me. I’m hoping to graduate soon and get my own category.

]]> By: iggy http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-38 iggy Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:42:06 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-38 It seems PB does not believe "Jesus is our only hope" and that "through Jesus we have reconciliation and right relationship" with God. His new post seems to state that Bell is wrong in stating this on the Mars Hill site. <blockquote>Jesus is our only hope for bringing peace and reconciliation between God and humans. True- I believe this! Through Jesus we have been forgiven and brought into right relationship with God. God is now reconciling us to each other, ourselves, and creation.</blockquote> PB states this: <blockquote>Huh? This is pretty general. It sounds as the whole of the universe is being reconciled to God. This, my friends is Christian Universalism. It is the belief that God is reconciling all people (actually all creation) To Himself, He did this through the cross. Notice the words us, humans, we.</blockquote> He then takes selective scriptures to prove his point but overlooks other scriptures: <blockquote>Rom 8: 19. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21. that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. </blockquote> <blockquote>1 John 2:1. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. </blockquote> Strange that PB selectively denies some scripture to show that someone is wrong. iggy It seems PB does not believe “Jesus is our only hope” and that “through Jesus we have reconciliation and right relationship” with God. His new post seems to state that Bell is wrong in stating this on the Mars Hill site.

Jesus is our only hope for bringing peace and reconciliation between God and humans. True- I believe this! Through Jesus we have been forgiven and brought into right relationship with God. God is now reconciling us to each other, ourselves, and creation.

PB states this:

Huh? This is pretty general. It sounds as the whole of the universe is being reconciled to God. This, my friends is Christian Universalism. It is the belief that God is reconciling all people (actually all creation) To Himself, He did this through the cross. Notice the words us, humans, we.

He then takes selective scriptures to prove his point but overlooks other scriptures:

Rom 8: 19. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21. that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

1 John 2:1. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense–Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Strange that PB selectively denies some scripture to show that someone is wrong.

iggy

]]> By: iggy http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-37 iggy Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:34:24 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-37 Again, I am not sure how "Jesus is our only hope" and "through Jesus" is not clear to you... Do you not agree that Jesus is our only hope and that through Jesus we have forgiveness and right relationship? It seems you do not as I read your post. iggy Again, I am not sure how “Jesus is our only hope” and “through Jesus” is not clear to you… Do you not agree that Jesus is our only hope and that through Jesus we have forgiveness and right relationship? It seems you do not as I read your post.

iggy

]]> By: iggy http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-36 iggy Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:26:45 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-36 PB, I guess you missed the part before your universalist assertion.... I think anyone reading this would see the first sentence and understand the rest in CONTEXT. <strong>Jesus is our only hope for bringing peace and reconciliation between God and humans. </strong>True- I believe this! Through Jesus we have been forgiven and brought into right relationship with God. God is now reconciling us to each other, ourselves, and creation. Again, you see what YOU want to and not what is stated. iggy PB,

I guess you missed the part before your universalist assertion…. I think anyone reading this would see the first sentence and understand the rest in CONTEXT.

Jesus is our only hope for bringing peace and reconciliation between God and humans. True- I believe this! Through Jesus we have been forgiven and brought into right relationship with God. God is now reconciling us to each other, ourselves, and creation.

Again, you see what YOU want to and not what is stated.

iggy

]]> By: Jesus Wants to Save Christians: The New Exodus Theology- What This Means to Us Today - Reformata http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-35 Jesus Wants to Save Christians: The New Exodus Theology- What This Means to Us Today - Reformata Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:46:26 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-35 [...] John Chisholm continues his look at the latest book by Rob Bell, the Elvis of the Emergent Church rebellion against Sola Scriptura. [...] [...] John Chisholm continues his look at the latest book by Rob Bell, the Elvis of the Emergent Church rebellion against Sola Scriptura. [...]

]]> By: pastorboy http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-34 pastorboy Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:53:18 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-34 Corey, I did address that, I did publish it. In the last paragraph he makes no distinction of who will be in the new heaven and new earth...NONE. Corey,

I did address that, I did publish it. In the last paragraph he makes no distinction of who will be in the new heaven and new earth…NONE.

]]> By: cmagstadt http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-the-new-exodus-theology-what-this-means-to-us-today/#comment-33 cmagstadt Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:50:54 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-33 I love your selective reading. You highlight the part where the statement talks about who is in the church and decry it as Christian universalism, but you conveniently ignore the very next sentence where it states, "The spirit of God affirms as children of God those who trust Jesus." Hmm....since, as you know, trust and believe are essentially the same biblical concept, apparently you and Mars Hill actually believe the same thing!! I love your selective reading. You highlight the part where the statement talks about who is in the church and decry it as Christian universalism, but you conveniently ignore the very next sentence where it states,

“The spirit of God affirms as children of God those who trust Jesus.”

Hmm….since, as you know, trust and believe are essentially the same biblical concept, apparently you and Mars Hill actually believe the same thing!!

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