Comments on: Jesus Wants to Save Christians- Part 1 The Cry of the Oppressed http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/ Exposing the lies of the modern church through the truth of God's Word. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:05:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: jazzact13 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-29 jazzact13 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:14:58 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-29 --1. He denies the Incarnation as God “did not need a Body”.-- I take you either didn't read what was said, or are intentionally misrepresenting it to fit your own spin (my vote is for the latter). PB is responding to Bell's claim that "God needs a body, God needs flesh and blood. God needs bones and skin so that Pharaoh will know just who this God is he’s dealing with and how this God acts in the world." PB's point is that God does not need a body in the sense that Bell claims He does. This has nothing to do with the incarnation, but with how God deals with man. God can certainly use people, and has done so. But it is not a necessity for him, and if one takes, for example, the account of Sodom and Gamorrah (where angels were used) and that of Balaam (were a donkey was used), then the point is made. --Denies that “sin” is going your own way-- Perhaps you can show us where PB said that, oh post-enlightened one??? --Denies God’s own words in the Bible thus not believing the Bible and giving God’s word authority as he would rather “go his own way” and “use his own interpretations”.-- Same as above, oh master mahaiggy. --Claims that those who state America is sinning when she oppresses other nations is unAmerican…-- Well, I just took another look through the post, and noticed something--I couldn't find one mention at all of America in it. –1. He denies the Incarnation as God “did not need a Body”.–

I take you either didn’t read what was said, or are intentionally misrepresenting it to fit your own spin (my vote is for the latter).

PB is responding to Bell’s claim that “God needs a body, God needs flesh and blood. God needs bones and skin so that Pharaoh will know just who this God is he’s dealing with and how this God acts in the world.” PB’s point is that God does not need a body in the sense that Bell claims He does. This has nothing to do with the incarnation, but with how God deals with man.

God can certainly use people, and has done so. But it is not a necessity for him, and if one takes, for example, the account of Sodom and Gamorrah (where angels were used) and that of Balaam (were a donkey was used), then the point is made.

–Denies that “sin” is going your own way–

Perhaps you can show us where PB said that, oh post-enlightened one???

–Denies God’s own words in the Bible thus not believing the Bible and giving God’s word authority as he would rather “go his own way” and “use his own interpretations”.–

Same as above, oh master mahaiggy.

–Claims that those who state America is sinning when she oppresses other nations is unAmerican…–

Well, I just took another look through the post, and noticed something–I couldn’t find one mention at all of America in it.

]]> By: itodyaso http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-23 itodyaso Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:20:51 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-23 This is what PB asserts in this review. 1. He denies the Incarnation as God "did not need a Body". 2. Denies that "sin" is going your own way. 4. Denies God's own words in the Bible thus not believing the Bible and giving God's word authority as he would rather "go his own way" and "use his own interpretations". 5. Claims that those who state America is sinning when she oppresses other nations is unAmerican... This is not looking good! I think Calvin would now be gathering wood! :lol: Funny that Reformata is promoting this review as a good one as it seems that not only is it anti Biblical but not even good reformed theology... It seem Reformata is promoting heresy! iggy This is what PB asserts in this review.

1. He denies the Incarnation as God “did not need a Body”.

2. Denies that “sin” is going your own way.

4. Denies God’s own words in the Bible thus not believing the Bible and giving God’s word authority as he would rather “go his own way” and “use his own interpretations”.

5. Claims that those who state America is sinning when she oppresses other nations is unAmerican…

This is not looking good! I think Calvin would now be gathering wood! :lol:

Funny that Reformata is promoting this review as a good one as it seems that not only is it anti Biblical but not even good reformed theology… It seem Reformata is promoting heresy!

iggy

]]> By: jazzact13 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-22 jazzact13 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:17:04 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-22 I took a quick look through Bell's book a few days ago at a bookstore, kind of a random opening of the book to a random page, all random like I said. Read where he's saying that for some strange reason not overly elucidated upon it's a problem that the US uses so much more oil than any other nation, though like I said he didn't seem to say much about why that's such a big problem (is he saying we should have some kind of arbitrary (read: random) measure so that that US doesn't use more oil per person than any other nation per population?). He does say that the US not using it's own resources is a problem, which I could agree on. Does that mean that Bell is echoing Palin's "Drill, baby, drill!!" bit of sound advice? I took a quick look through Bell’s book a few days ago at a bookstore, kind of a random opening of the book to a random page, all random like I said. Read where he’s saying that for some strange reason not overly elucidated upon it’s a problem that the US uses so much more oil than any other nation, though like I said he didn’t seem to say much about why that’s such a big problem (is he saying we should have some kind of arbitrary (read: random) measure so that that US doesn’t use more oil per person than any other nation per population?).

He does say that the US not using it’s own resources is a problem, which I could agree on. Does that mean that Bell is echoing Palin’s “Drill, baby, drill!!” bit of sound advice?

]]> By: pastorboy http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-21 pastorboy Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:36:37 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-21 Ask and ye shall receive, Joe... Ask and ye shall receive, Joe…

]]> By: Joe http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-20 Joe Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:28:17 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-20 What? No link love? I mean you take a swipe at me and at my pastor but you don't have the common courtesy to link to me. That's heartless, even for a guy like you John What? No link love? I mean you take a swipe at me and at my pastor but you don’t have the common courtesy to link to me. That’s heartless, even for a guy like you John

]]> By: iggy http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-19 iggy Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:04:32 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-19 Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but really PB this review is a travesty at best... sorry to anyone that takes your words here as reality in any form. iggy Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but really PB this review is a travesty at best… sorry to anyone that takes your words here as reality in any form.

iggy

]]> By: pastorboy http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-18 pastorboy Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:11:51 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-18 But, alas, Neil...Bell stated that it was a theological work. I guess it is he that failed. I have approached the commentary as a theological commentary. Chris, I agree, this is a ridiculous charachiture of the reality of the truth. But, alas, Neil…Bell stated that it was a theological work. I guess it is he that failed. I have approached the commentary as a theological commentary.

Chris,
I agree, this is a ridiculous charachiture of the reality of the truth.

]]> By: Neil http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-17 Neil Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:06:56 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-17 Pastorboy, I think your picking on "toxic" and "deadly" betrays that you have a bias against Bell that you could not overcome. You have not read him fairly. This is not a theological work, it is a devotional. When you complain that God does not need a body, but then say “God, by His grace, chose these people to be His covenant people to demonstrate His grace.” - you show just how blinded you are by your opposition to anything Bell would say. I was hoping you would take this whole reading Bell thing seriously... but, alas, you did not. Neil Pastorboy,

I think your picking on “toxic” and “deadly” betrays that you have a bias against Bell that you could not overcome. You have not read him fairly.

This is not a theological work, it is a devotional. When you complain that God does not need a body, but then say “God, by His grace, chose these people to be His covenant people to demonstrate His grace.” – you show just how blinded you are by your opposition to anything Bell would say.

I was hoping you would take this whole reading Bell thing seriously… but, alas, you did not.

Neil

]]> By: martypython http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-16 martypython Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:11:55 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-16 Saying that "the relationship suffers' between God and humanity as a result of Adam and Eve's choice to 'go their own way' is a complete freakin' joke. Does Bell even believe in sin or that man is completely fallen and dead in trespasses and sin and is now by nature an object of God's wrath? Eph. 2:1   As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. Saying that “the relationship suffers’ between God and humanity as a result of Adam and Eve’s choice to ‘go their own way’ is a complete freakin’ joke.

Does Bell even believe in sin or that man is completely fallen and dead in trespasses and sin and is now by nature an object of God’s wrath?

Eph. 2:1   As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

]]> By: Jesus Wants to Save Christians- Part 1 The Cry of the Oppressed - Reformata http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/jesus-wants-to-save-christians-part-1-the-cry-of-the-oppressed/#comment-15 Jesus Wants to Save Christians- Part 1 The Cry of the Oppressed - Reformata Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:02:29 +0000 http://crninfo.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-15 [...] John Chisham begins his review of this latest book by Rob Bell, the Elvis of the Emergent Church rebellion against Sola [...] [...] John Chisham begins his review of this latest book by Rob Bell, the Elvis of the Emergent Church rebellion against Sola [...]

]]>