Ken Silva: A man under attack from ‘christians’

This was indeed a sad day for CRN.info: They went from a blog ‘defending persecution from within’ to just another mean and spite-filled hate blog. Here is the original post:

Ken Silva
Posted by Nathan on Aug 21st, 2008
2008
Aug 21
pastor
teacher
prophet
martyr.

Here is the problem: Ken Silva has an apologetics ministry (www.apprising.org> Which had a lot of excellent apologitics on it. In addition, he is exposing the downgrade of the modern church, with exposes on the Emergent church, Catholicism, many different authors, and the entrance of eastern mysticism/Roman Catholicism into the church of today. One of his favorite topics is Purpose Driven Pastor Rick Warren. One of Rick Warren’s syncophants, Richard Abanes, threatened a lawsuit and got his site, and all the volumes of articles, shut down. These gracious ‘christians’ are calling him a martyr because he expressed his feelings.

Nathan Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Ken,
why art thou so angry?

Nathan, a part of the emergent Mosaic in California, is the author of this and many other demeaning articles about Ken and others. And he wonders why Ken is so angry?
Then Joe C joins in on the insults:

Joe C Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Then the Master Himself says — “Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets” (Luke 6:26). Take a quick look around the Net and you can probably recognize that in my particular case this isn’t exactly a problem where I’m concerned. And perhaps you’ve seen that I have no fear of them, or anyone else, because they can’t kill me…I’m already dead…
So…many people try to tell Ken how he is wrong and the damage he is doing to Christ, and since a many good people have issue with how he does things, therefore he must be right because Jesus said if people say good things about you then you must be a false prophet.
That’s the craziest logic and worst eisegesis yet!

I decide to jump into the fray:

pastorboy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 am
Character assasination at its finest. You guys are great. This is what a Christian blog should do. We should insult, mock, and curse a man who serves the Lord.
This site has become more and more like Iggy’s evil ODM site in its mockery. Oh the plank must hurt.
But go on, you show your true colors. This post is just evidence of the fact that you all have no idea about grace or charitable reading.
You have become what you hate.

Check out the responses:

iggy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 am
PB…
Hahahahahahaahahahhaaah! oh my LOL!
That plank…. now where is it today?
Oh where oh where do you want us to “shove it?” as you stated before?
LOL!
You are rich with irony!
iggy

Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 am
John Chisam,
There’s no character assassination going on. Real soldiers who have tasted real battle will find Ken’s “missive” written from the comfort of probably a padded but certainly comfortable chair, where he hides behind a Church body that does not consider him or his church to be a part of, extremely offensive. Ken’s not been attacked, he’s lost some money. His site wasn’t shut down, he took it down. Now, we can argue all day long that as to who we should blame for that, but the fact is the action was his. See, the difference between a real soldier and a wanna be soldier is the ability to take responsibility for one’s actions. Coram Deo (Do you think his parents did that on purpose?) called it cowboy Christianity. Ken’s not a soldier. Ken’s not a Bible scholar, he’s just a guy with some problems who has a keyboard and an internet connection. Make some phone calls to where he lives. Find out his reputation. A friend of mine did, in fact I did. It’s enlightening. One director of the SBC told me personally that he doesn’t even think Ken is qualified to be a pastor.
Now, I’m just apprising you of what I found out doing a little Christian research. You can downgrade it, or you can do your own reconciliation of the facts. The facts will always be there no matter how you slice them.
Taken to the extreme, Ken would seem to be exhibiting some characteristics that are common amongst men who have some severe problems. That’s my opinion.
I’m not sure I see how posting articles about what a great soldier you are is doing all that much to serve Jesus.
If Rick Warren wrote such an article I bet the radio program they like to quote would destroy him. Is that character assassination or just “fighting for the faith”?

Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 am
“qualified to be a pastor”
Hey, let’s go pomo on that statement. Who gets to decide who is “qualified”? And what are the qualifiers? Does it vary from community to community? Maybe the qualifications are different in according to the various mission fields a pastor serves in?
Are women qualified? Isn’t the Church divided on that issue? So if a suit behind a desk with his training in business from one part of the country qualified themselves to decide another’s qualifications? And can you be a counselor when you own feelings are so easily hurt by mere words on a screen?
And Nathan, in the words of the great rap theologian Tupac, “I ain’t madatcha.” Have a great life y’all.
pastorboy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
Joe Martino,
It is John Chisham, thank you.
As to your comment, I get it. But you are becoming what you hate none the less. You are trolling other blogs to find fault with people, pastors of other churches, no less, and criticizing them. For goodness sakes, you are even wasting your time investigating them! What in the world does a small church in Conneticut have to do with the postmodern monolith of extra biblical wisdom in Grand Rapids? NONE! You are becoming what you hate! It is not charitable to attack and demean a man for his beliefs, his writings, etc. Just don’t read it if it bothers you. Remove Apprising from your favorites list.
Nathan,
EXACTLY my point. You are becoming what you hate. My mom always said two wrongs don’t make it right. You believe that Ken’s discernment ministry is wrong ( I disagree, but that is besides the point) So, to prove how wrong it is to mock and insult Christians, you do the same? I mean, You are becoming as big a hypocrite as iggy, continually screaming about grace, and still hosting the most demeaning website out there in regards to his Christian brothers. It is seriously beyond me.
Please, show us all an example of charitable reading, grace, mercy and all that you folks claim to have by demonstrating it in your blog. Otherwise, you are just a clanging cymbol.
Chris Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am
You are becoming what you hate! It is not charitable to attack and demean a man for his beliefs, his writings, etc. Just don’t read it if it bothers you.
John,
Can you honestly not see the duplicity/hypocrisy in this statement?
Chris Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 am
John,
One other thing…While you were preaching outside Madison Square Garden I was across the street. I happened to be their on a mission trip with my youth group. Wanna know what my reformed, Christian kids asked?
pastorboy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 am
No, Chris, why don’t you explain it to me.
Is it the same as the duplicity/hypocrisy of those on this very blog who have written about the ODM’s criticizing small churches that are not in their area without ever having seen them, or been to their services?
Is it the same as the duplicity/hypocrisy of demanding charitable reading and grace in all things except when it is Ken Silva, Ingrid, Mike Ratliff, Chris R and the like?
Oh, no it must be the duplicity/hypocrisy of the team politics that you so passionatly strove against, which you display on a daily basis on this site.
YOU BECOME WHAT YOU HATE.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 am
Oh John,
Sorry about messing up your name.
There’s a guy who sits outside the parking garage where I park for work. He’s standing there singing out loud and moving his hands as if he’s directing music in a symphony. The other day I offered to buy him some food (I know, I should have shared the two diagnostic question of EE first, but allow me some latitude, it comes with being emergent) he looked at me and laughed. He told me that he couldn’t leave practice. “These people (here he waved his arm at an empty bench) needed his help. The performance was coming up soon and they were not near ready.”
His beliefs have nothing to do with reality and I’m sorry neither do Ken’s.
I’ve not trolled any blogs. I’ve made a few phone calls when Ken sinned against me to what I understood to be his authorities. He’s always says that Apprising is a ministry of his church which is an SBC church. When he sinned against me and refused to talk to me about it, I did what I understood the Bible calls me to do.
Again, I am not demeaning the man for his beliefs. In fact, I pity Ken. Above all I pity Ken. To come to that place in his life where in order to feel as though you are serving God you misrepresent facts and lead people to believe things that are half truths must be absolutely a horrible place to be.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 am
postmodern monolith of extra biblical wisdom in Grand Rapids?
Have you been attending the “Ken Silva School of Tabloid Titles and Cool Sayings” at night?

pastorboy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 am
Joe,
No I came up with that one all by myself. You like it?

Rick Frueh Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 am
“Just don’t read it if it bothers you. Remove Apprising from your favorites list. “
John – that works both ways. If it bothers Ken, Ingrid, or you, don’t click on it. Again, this blog thing is way overblown and overestimated. But you must understand that even though some of the issues the ODMs address are relevant, some of the things they say and attack should be confrontable.
Who gets to decide what should or shouldn’t be corrected? Everyone should make their points without getting hysterical. I reserve the right, as does everyone else, to write what I feel my conscience dictates. I am not inerrant but I am sincere. Everyone must answer to God for themselves.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:40 am
Did they ask ” Why are we not obeying the Word of God and preaching the Gospel to every creature like he commanded in Mark 16:15?
Now, I just heard on Pirate Christian radio that commands like that were given to the Apostles, not us.

Bo Diaz Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:43 am
Of course I don’t know what they said. I know I don’t care. I am not saying that to be arrogant. I am commissioned as an evangelist, I have been called to do what I do wherever I go. People will be offended, because I preach the Gospel LOUDLY for all to hear. The seeds will fall where they may, on hearts prepared by God.
Wow. An evangelist who doesn’t give a tinker’s damn if people understand him or not. I suggest in the future just babbling nonsense, it’ll at least more honest.
pastorboy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 am
Joe Martino listens to PCR?
Joe, I am impressed.
pastorboy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
Bo Diaz, disengenuous as usual.
The message is one which is a stumbling stone, people will be offended. But, as ambassadors, we are given the message to speak from our King. We do not get to change it, even if the hearers get mad.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
Haha, I didn’t say I agree with what he has to say. I just listened.
I didn’t say I disagree either
Bo Diaz Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:47 am
Pastorboy,
Unfortunately, you have become the offense, not the gospel.
pastorboy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:53 am
Bo,
I can only pray that is not true. But if I must be a fool for Christ, I will be a fool.

And Nathan continues the justification:

nathan Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 am
Pastorboy,
I have always seen what we do here at CRN.info as different. Here is an illustration (us emerging types love stories )
A guy is walking down the street with a baseball bat. When he sees someone that he doesn’t think this beautiful, he takes the bat and bashes in their knees. This leaves a trail of wounded people on the road behind him. Now, let’s say that I have a baseball bat as well and am watching the whole thing. I have no choice but to go take the guy out because he is hurting so many people. Would you say that I have become what I hate in this instance?
Are the police on the same level as common criminals when they have to shoot a murderer that is pointing a loaded gun at a person?
I believe that at one point Ken Silva had honest and pure motives of helping to expose false teachings. However, that mission has turned horribly wrong. It is now about attacking ministers relentlessly, using all types of vicious language and false propaganda to get his way. He has lost credibility in his community. He has lost credibility with his overseers. He has lost financial supporters. He has lost the support of friends after turning on Ray Comforts. He has lost so much, but still continues his attacks, leaving miles of wreckage in his wake.
Ken -
Does it vary from community to community? Maybe the qualifications are different in according to the various mission fields a pastor serves in?
Yes it does. But, when the overseers in your community see you as unfit to be a pastor, there is something wrong. But I am sure that your overseers have simply been polluted by the evil SBC, right?
Jerry Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 am
Pastorboy,
Perhaps in time you will become Pastorman and grow up a little. If you send me your address I will mail you, free of charge, a brand spanken new copy of Roget’s Thesaurus so that you can learn some new words and write a phrase other than ‘you are becoming what you hate.’ No one here is becoming what we hate because we don’t hate. Isn’t that the problem we are often accused of? That is, we have so little ability to discern that we love everyone and everything. So how can you say we hate?
jerry

Now Chris L enters the fray. He is an expert at justifying all sorts of evil by going Hebrew on you. Not how he justifies speaking Evil of Ken by using a rabbinical example:

Chris L Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
YOU BECOME WHAT YOU HATE.
John,
You’re really reminding me of the “Leave Britney alone!” dude on YouTube. The first time I watched it, I tried to pay attention, but now it’s just become another meme of pop-culture stupidity. Your meme is really no different because it is just as logically convincing as “Leave Britney alone!”…
However, since any level of nuance tends to be lost on you, I’ll try to spell it out in a little more detail:
A famous rabbi once commented,
“For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
Now, following this metaphor (which some incorrectly take only in the abstract as some post-death experience), what we do from time to time is use the measures espoused by Armchair Discernmentalists (like Ken and yourself) and use them on you, rather than your targets.
And apparently you don’t like it. Good! Perhaps a way to stop the ‘pain’ you’re feeling would be to go to the root cause (your own measures) rather than the symptom (having your own measures applied to you). It’s kind of like the man who passed a boy on the street who was hitting himself in the head with a hammer. When he asked why the boy was doing this, he replied “because when I stop, it feels so good…”
Now, since the ends do not justify the means, when I apply an ODM’s measurement back upon it, I try to make it clear (for all but the thickest of skulls) that I am doing so as satire or as “absurdity to demonstrate the absurd”, and not because I believe the measure is a valid one. (See the satirical piece on Ingrid’s support of the Moonies)
Or, conversely, if an ODM claims to use a particular measure (a good one, at that), but then completely misapplies it, I am reminded of the same rabbi I quoted above, who made an observation about a similar group of people who were straining gnats but swallowing camels.
So, in the case of one Armchair ‘Discernment’ ‘Ministry’, the very word “Research” is in their title, and is claimed to be a defining measure of their “ministry”. However, since they have very little actual talent for this measure, it is helpful – from time to time – to correctly apply it as a demonstration, again with the hope that when such a thing is used correctly, they might gain an appreciation for a) the power of proper usage; and b) the responsibility that goes along with using it.
So, in the case of Ken – he has claimed the mantle of authoritative research, so is it a disservice to apply actual research to his claims?
Ken claims to be a pastor (and quite often shoves this title in people’s faces when he is questioned), ordained by the SBC. So, with a minimal bit of actual research, when the SBC was contacted, they disavowed affiliation with Ken, his “church” and his title. (As a result, I will refrain from using the title “pastor” for Mr. Silva until some other body recognizes him, since the SBC has stated that it does not.)
Ken claims to be under the authority of a ministry board. However, he won’t provide names or contact information for this board, but one of the board members contacted one of us with the basic message “I sympathize with you, but Ken doesn’t listen to us.” Again, minimal actual research was conducted with pretty unequivocal evidence that the way Ken represents himself is more like the snake in the garden than the prophet in the wilderness.
Ken claims to have been “mentored by” and to have “studied at the feet of” the late Dr. Walter Martin. With a minimal amount of research, it was discovered that Dr. Martin had been dead for several years before this “mentoring” and “studying at the feet” occurred. So, again, the truth is something that escapes Mr. Silva, or Dr. Martin was resurrected prior to Jesus’ final return.
Ken claims martyrdom for losing his site because of a complaint by Richard Abanes to his ISP. With a minimal amount of research, again, it was discovered that his ISP didn’t delete his site – he did.
The list of instances of applying minimal actual research to verify the bona fides of someone who claims to be a ‘researcher’ has no wrong attached to it. If Ken was being truthful, the truth would bear him out.
[It really would not surprise me all that much if we sent someone to the backwaters of New Hampshire, only to find out that Ken Silva was a semi-fictional character invented to mock fundamentalist Christianity in an ultimate play in satire. In fact, I would then find Ken to be the most brilliant satirist in the modern church - with satire that would put Iggy’s (now-defunct) I Todyaso site to shame.]
So, in summary, your “you become what you hate” meme ceased to have any credibility months ago, and right now that “Britney” dude is starting to look less and less silly in comparison…

Now, I respond to Nathan’s story….Watch the justifications FLY!

pastorboy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 am
Nathan,
The problem is, that you nailed the guy with the Baseball Bat, and stopped him for the moment, but the illustration is a strawman, because you discoverd how cool it is to hit someone in the knees with a bat, and wonder how it would feel to bash him in the head the ribs and the feet!
You see, the righteous act of stopping a person from assaulting others becomes assault when you go beyond the simple act of stepping in. You folks here scream about beating dead horses? You beat men who stand against what you believe is right teaching, and you go off like crazed man with a bat swinging wildly not caring who he hits or where he hits em.
I like this story stuff!
Neil Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 am
We should start a spreadsheet on how often the tired old argument comes up that we are just like them, or we are what we hate, blah, blah, blah.
There are times we allow our standards and behavior to slip, but the accusation that we are no different, or the proposal that we should not oppose those who erroneously oppose, because both are oppositions – is laughable.
Neil
Bo Diaz Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 am
I can only pray that is not true. But if I must be a fool for Christ, I will be a fool.
Sinning in Christ’s name is still sin.

nathan Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 am
you discoverd how cool it is to hit someone in the knees with a bat, and wonder how it would feel to bash him in the head the ribs and the feet!
I would say that this is not the case. We are a reactionary site for the most part. The attack someone, we respond with rebuttal. It is not just continual bashing against against them (of course unless they are continually attacking). What you are probably reacting to is the amount of material that we have to work with… and yes, there is alot. We could probably go on rebutting articles all day.
We really try to expose, and not attack. This article for example… four words simply exposing Ken’s self-proclaimed title.

Is this presently with this thread what they are doing? I would say no, they are bashing this poor brother with a wicked bat! This is hypocrisy at its finest!

nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:50 am
Yah, yah, yah…
youbecomewhatyouhate,
blah, blah, blah…
Rick Frueh Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
“And who’s doing that?”
No one, that’s why there is so much humble introspection and measured dialogue.
nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 am
PB,
you aren’t defending against perceived excesses.
You’re defending the substance.
Don’t fool yourself that somehow you’re taking the highroad…
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 am
Now you’re gettin’ it Nathan Clair–Isaiah 6:8-10.
nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 am
re: And I have news for you boys no denomination of men, no matter how much they pat themselves on the back, calls someone as a pastor-teacher.
yeeeesh, talk about lone ranger religion.
And i do mean religion.
nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:55 am
for people supposedly so concerned with the Church, talk about a really really crappy ecclesiology.
nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 am
Ken,
so glad to see you know how to do a word search on Biblegateway.
Job 12:1-2
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:59 am
Yah, yah, yah…
talk about lone ranger religion…a really really crappy ecclesiology…
blah, blah, blah…
To quote my friend Rick F.–”Hey, this is fun!”
Sandman Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Bo,
I can only pray that is not true. But if I must be a fool for Christ, I will be a fool.
PB,
In regard to your prayer: Amen.
Be a fool for Christ. That’s admirable. But too often people will take that to mean territorial, religious jerk.

Now Joe Martino just gets plain MEAN:

Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Joe,
Get yourself a spiritual hearing aid.
Wonderful words of wisdom by you, Ken. Ken, I’ll tell you what, I’ll pray that either:
1. God destroys your ministry if it is not of Him and not another soul sends you money until you repent and fall on your knees before Him writing apologies to every person you have slandered.
or
2. God will heap blessings on your ministry and grow it so that it cannot be denied that He is in it.
My hearing is just fine.

nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Re:Hey, let’s go pomo on that statement. Who gets to decide who is “qualified”? And what are the qualifiers? Does it vary from community to community? Maybe the qualifications are different in according to the various mission fields a pastor serves in?
Are women qualified? Isn’t the Church divided on that issue? So if a suit behind a desk with his training in business from one part of the country qualified themselves to decide another’s qualifications? And can you be a counselor when you own feelings are so easily hurt by mere words on a screen?
Actually, those are all just logical questions of inquiry…
nothing “pomo” about it.
yeeeesh, and people say the “emergents” supposedly throw around jargon.
sounds like you might need some more “mentoring” from Foucault, Lacan, Derrida, etc.
It’ll bulk out your resume…

Neil Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Joe,
Your hearing is dull at best. And I’ll tell you what, you just pray whatever you like… We know who God listens to. – Ken
Now that takes some serious kehonas…
Neil
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Neil,
I believe you’ll find it’s spelled cojones.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Joe,
Your hearing is dull at best. And I’ll tell you what, you just pray whatever you like… We know who God listens to.
Too true, Ken, too true. Really and truly, is that the best someone of your caliber has? I mean of all the angry and asinine things you’ve said over the years that’s the best comeback you have? What are you 12? Where was your nanni nanni poo poo?
nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Neil,
now there’s some “correction”…

Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
“that’s the best comeback you have?”
Why Joseph, are you implying we’re to make this some kind of game of one-upsmanship? What would Rob have to say about that young man.
nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
oh, yeah, fiction…that’s right, I forgot…
critiquing what you don’t understand passes muster in your world. I wonder if your mentor Walter Martin would look so fondly on such things…
btw, just so you know, wikipedia doesn’t cut it for research.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Rob who? Rob Folz? Rob Fowler? Rob Ryerse? Rob Johnson? Rob Williams? I know so many Rob’s, which one are you talking about?
Rick Frueh Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:45 pm
“If so you need to understand that my intellect is far superior to everyone here.”
Almost all.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
. Plus God is on my side.
That’s what the Crusaders said too. They were wrong and so are you.

The problem is, Ken never said this! This was taken by one of the moderators and changed to make it look like Ken said it. How low! (It must be said that that person later apologized)

Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Hey thanks Nathan C. for the tip re. Wikipedia. Yeah, we on da turnip truck ain’t heard that a-for. And I’ve used Wiki in my writings…well, maybe a few times…so that’s been a real problem for me.
And Joseph, I think you’re trying to pull a fast one there young man. I happen to think that the name Rob rings the right Bell for ya an’ yer jus’ a-tryin’ ta fake me out, silly.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Why Joseph, are you implying we’re to make this some kind of game of one-upsmanship? If so you need to understand that my intellect is far superior to everyone here
Ken, I’ve figured out how you could solve all of your financial problems! You could write a book, “The 4 most humble and faithful people on earth. Plus, how I trained the other 3.” I’m sure it will be a best seller.
Jose Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
What have we learned in this comment thread???
NOTHING….. It’s like mocking the school yard bully!
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
“that’s the best comeback you have?”
Why Joseph, are you implying we’re to make this some kind of game of one-upsmanship? If so you need to understand that my intellect is far superior to everyone here. Plus God is on my side.
The bold was added by someone other than me. Perhaos Chris Lyons may wish to know someone is altering comments and attributing words to people that they didn’t say. I’m guessing that’s unethical.
nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
and giving no ground to a school yard bully is a problem?
At least you see Ken’s behavior for what it is, Jose.
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Yeah Nathan, I’m the bully.
You have Joe trying to play a game of one-upping, which I haven’t played, and someone putting these words into a prior comment of mine, which I did not write: “If so you need to understand that my intellect is far superior to everyone here. Plus God is on my side.”
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
I wondered why the ISP didn’t match up. BTW Ken, I was able to see some music you created today. It was entertaining.
What’s peace of mine?
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I think whoever doctored my 4:27pm comment owes me an apology.
Chris L Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Ken – there was a comment listed with your name, but not your ISP (or an ISP of any other commenter). I have deleted it from moderation, and put out an inquiry as to whether anyone has altered any comments…

Now Joe gets REALLY MEAN:

Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Oh Ken,
Just because say I’m playing one up doesn’t mean I am. Your the one who implied that God doesn’t hear my prayers. The truth is you are a bully. You’re a mean person who probably has a delusional disorder. You’re snarky, you refuse to have any real accountability and you over inflate your own creds because you’re probably extremely insecure.
You’ve built an entire blog on slamming people but the first time you get criticized you cry martyr. You wouldn’t know what soldiering meant if you got bit in the ass with it.
Turn from your wicked ways Ken before it’s too late. Seek help while help is to be found.
Oh and your ISP does match in all comments.
nc Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
ummmm….yeah.
I don’t know anything about the admin. of this site. Not my problem…but it looks like Chris L is “on it”…
How’s this?
Ken,
I’m sorry that your comment got messed with.
Since guilt by association is good enough for you I’m assuming (I know. I know.) that the inverse might work too.
yeesh.
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Nathan C. follow along now, I’m not upset dude. I simply stated a fact, k. Whatever people want to think of me is cool by me.
They have every right to be wrong. Since I was right here I was only setting the record straight.
Chris L., thanks. Happens…
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Joe,
“The truth is you are a bully. You’re a mean person who probably has a delusional disorder. You’re snarky,…” You do know these are much stronger comments than my “Christian agnostic.” You don’t see me running to legal folks.
Then you say: “you refuse to have any real accountability…” How do you know that? Answer: You don’t. That is being judgmental. You need to repent. You know very well Ed Young from my board called you.
You’ve built an entire blog on slamming people but the first time you get criticized you cry martyr.” Correction: Nathan Neighbour cried martyr. I didn’t, and I don’t.
“You wouldn’t know what soldiering meant if you got bit in the ass with it.” Very nice language coming from an alleged minister of the Gospel. Young man, you seriously know nothing about me. You’re welcome to your opinions but unfortunately they are based upon your fertile imagination.
“Turn from your wicked ways Ken before it’s too late. Seek help while help is to be found.” Right backatcha.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Yes Ken, he called me and you told him you were going to do what you wanted to do. I told him I’d not discuss what he and I talked about so I won’t.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Let’s play the “Can Ken Silva tell the truth game?”
Ken said,
“You wouldn’t know what soldiering meant if you got bit in the ass with it.” Very nice language coming from an alleged minister of the Gospel. Young man, you seriously know nothing about me.
Ken, are you saying you served in combat in the military? Not in the quasi, made up in your head bloodied ground of the internet truth wars upon which you stand in this glorious time but in the real world. Have you ever served in the military during combat?
Oh and Ken, I’ve actually found out quite a bit about you.

Again, is Joe a part of the SBC hierarchy, or some private investigating firm to do some background on Ken? Who is this guy?

Chris fesses up: Classless act, but at least he came clean:

Chris Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 5:50 pm
My apologies to everyone in this thread. I was the one that messed with the comment. On the surface it may appear that I was intentionally trying to mess with Kens comment but in all actuality I was trying to edit something into Kens comment (the part about “being smarter”) and I botched it. As I’ve already confessed to the accountability structure of this site and asked their forgiveness I also ask for yours.
My intention was not to post that comment in its form. After realizing that it had been posted as such I immediately edited back to the original. Unfortunately there was a lot of action on the thread and it got picked up immediately. Shortly after adjusting it back I had to leave and have not been able to get back to my computer until now. Again my apologies. Specifically to Ken for my mistake.

And it continues: Joe the character assassin wants to continue beating Ken:

Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:19 pm
BTW, Ken is more than welcome to come on here and set me strait that indeed he was a soldier. He can tell me that when he throws those metaphors around he actually knows what he’s talking about, he’s not just whining. I’m not holding my breath.
Rick Frueh Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Joe – I don’t remember Ken claiming he was a soldier in the military. Did he?
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Joe: “he called me and you told him you were going to do what you wanted to do.”
I deny that is the truth. Ed called on his own unknown to me. He onlly told me he had called you AFTER he had called so I couldn’t have said to him I was going to do what I wanted to do.
You’re digging a deeper hole for yourself Joe. Please stop it. I’ve known Ed for years and he’s a straight shooter as they come. He also knows full well my heart for Christ and of my setting up an accountability structure, which he’s been a part of long before you ever even heard of me.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:31 pm
No Rick, he didn’t. My point is his use of that metaphor is insulting to people who have been in the military. It’s insulting to those who have truly suffered for something they believed in.
Hey all, I’m out for the night. We have company coming over. We’re going to have a conversation and some grub.
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Rick,
No, he didn’t.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Ken,
Out of respect for Ed, who I believe is a strait shooter, I apologize. I know what he told me and what was said. I also said I wouldn’t discuss it online. I respect the fact that he called me.
Ken, have a good night. Keep that rifle oiled and your socks clean. By the way, don’t forget your 4 standing orders.
Ok, I’m off to a nice dinner and a little conversation around the fire.
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Joe,
And I’ll ask Ed if he said what you attributed to him. You’d better pray that he does.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Ken,
That sounds like a threat. What are you going to do? Let me ask some more questions since my last one is still waiting to be answered. Did Ed call you or email and suggest you do a three way conversation to hear what I had to say. That would be me, him and you. Did you tell him no?
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Ken,
Send me a picture of you and amend your post which is a libelous lie and I’ll send you the emails.
Oh and Ken, what would it matter if I prayed? According to you, God doesn’t hear my prayers anyhow. How well did you and Job get along?

Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Joe,
With all due respect logic is not your strong suit and it’s not wise to read intent into statements that isn’t there. You won’t want to go the legal libel route because this comment thread won’t make you look very good.
I’ll be speaking with Ed in a few minutes and I’ll know exactly what’s transpired between the two of you as it concerns me.

Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Ken,
Is that no to those questions?
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Oh come on! The alliteration I had going was awesome!
Ken Silva Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Joe C.,
Your last comment is why I have suggested that maybe you need to grow up. Like I’m hiding here today? I’ve answered pertinent questions and all I ask is that maybe some others be honest enough to consider they just might be wrong about me.
Rick and I remain friends despite his afflication of Notre Dame football but we have strong differences. Maybe a few here need to man up like we do, He and I have said some tough things about each other’s beliefs and last I checked neither of us died from it.
Joe Martino Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:56 pm
And (despite “logic not being my strong suit”) I’m kind of hurt that no one noticed how I worked all of the ODM/ADM/PITA sites names into my comment to John ChisHam.

At the end of the day, the body of Christ on this earth looked like a pack of ravenous dogs. How Pathetic. Iggy closes it out with more false piety/hypocrisy calling for a day of prayer for Ken::

iggy Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:01 pm
If anyone read through this thread who was a supporter of Ken… I would be amazed as to if they still were… Ken seems to have shown us all again what and who he really is.
Never turn the other cheek, never forgive… be mean and nasty and snide… be rude and vicious… be ever accusing and never merciful. Never give grace nor think the best of others.
Sorry Ken, that is all unbecoming of a REAL pastor though I know a few teachers that are like that… but no one really liked them and few actually learned from them.
Come back to Jesus, and may the Spirit of our precious Savior give you a new heart and renew your spirit. May your day go better…
iggy

Day of prayer Aug 28th